I like the house styles of Henry Poole and G&H, but I hoped to get the first bespoke suits a little bit cheaper. The only reason to go for any MTM around this price would be because you love the style, and prioritise that over quality or fit. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. A Graham Browne suit and a Huntsman suit are traditional, structured English suits. (In my case I am interested in Connock & Lockie, Lambs Conduit Street but I am open to other suggestions..). Curious on the lapel width used here. On first sight it looks horrendous: Tacky, cheap and overall so incredibly bad it almost feels like a parody or scam. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Bespoke Cashmere Wool Safari Jacket Drakes London Style - 2500 In Blue (Large) at the best online prices at eBay! solito e.2500 for suit, e2100 for jacket. I had suits made in both, in order to compare them. Worth stating again perhaps that no judgments on fit should be made from photos. Is it possible to request a little bit less drape from W&S? Apologies if this is an obvious question. Not for anything approaching a Neapolitan cut Stuart, no. Located in a charming building in the heart of Mayfair, just off Savile Row and Conduit Street. Programs were set up in a number of different vocations, from metalwork to embroidery. I have gone for a three piece with extra trousers in the classic bespoke and this makes me feel happy! With a virtually unlimited choice of fabrics and style, there is no limitation except your imagination. This will offer better value than any MTM service, by some margin. Sartoria Dalcuore and W & S; both very interesting articles. Would you say W&S would be a sound option for someones first bespoke suit and if so, any advice on a maiden voyage such as this? Alex N. OK, good Alex. Can you confirm the exact fabric for reference if it is navy rather than the mid blue the photographer has managed to make it look like? As there are no buttons and buttonholes on the fittings, I couldnt detect this issue. Brilliant. Hi Ethan, if you have any other suggestions of tailors for morning wear (through word of mouth) I would be super grateful for the input Every aspect of the garment from the fabric to the style is customized and tailored for your unique body. W&S seem to be a interesting chaps.. I can see a grey being useful, but that's about all probably. Now looking forward to first fitting in 6-7 weeks. The width here is 3.75 inches. Location makes no difference to me, but if you want it you can pay 1,700 for the privilege. After giving myself a headache of what tailor to try next after a poor experience from a new(ish) city tailoring firm (that shall remain nameless), I commissioned a new suit from GB in Dec. Im glad to say that this promise is fulfilled. Back in October there was a lot of interest around my post on the bespoke service at Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. Next, however, I ran the risk despite your seemingly strong opinion against drawing a tailor away from his natural house style, Simon of asking Suresh to make me an even softer, more Neapolitan style sports jacket. The little things are not decisive, they decide everything, said the popular actor Harvey Read More, A Detailed Guide to Savile Row suit for Men The company with more than 200 years of history began as a uniform company for the military. And to be honest, that suggests to me you might be overanalysing this a bit but again, raise it with the tailor and see what they say. Not necessarily more structured, but cleaner in the chest and different in other style aspects. So it would still look a little more formal than the Neapolitan style? Have a look at my posts in the past on Rubinacci bespoke. Whilst acknowledging that the intent of any bespoke tailoring is to enhance and flatter the wearer, I would be interested to read more about the tricks of the trade used to mitigate different physical challenges. A.) The fabric will be high quality and the stitching will be precise and flawless.Secondly, a bespoke suit will always be perfectly tailored to the individual. This is something most tailors dont do, but you do occasionally see it used on particularly soft or lightweight cloths. For example, can the lapel width (not shape necessarily) be extended slightly? To be honest I am leaning more towards WS now but cannot make up my mind! They look very good and suit your face and style, Francois Pinton, though I wouldnt necessarily recommend them based in make. Theyre reasonably flexible, but I wouldnt ask them to do Neapolitan. But yes, I know the trend you mean. I also expect that you may receive favorable treatment in many instances, possibly skewing the actual standard of service. See how much you wear it and what you enjoy about it, at least for a while. Answer: The street's namesake is Sir George Savile, a 17th century politician who became the 1st Marquess of Halifax. The real benefits of bespoke are in the long term, for example when you have gone through it once or twice, and know exactly what you want and what to ask about during the sessions. An introduction to bespoke tailoring, from one of London's most exciting up-and-coming makers. I had a strict deadline though. More than Poole, but less than A&S. Thanks for your advice though, its useful. And would you recommend stretching out a bit more and getting full bespoke from Anderson Sheppard (5,700 I think) or do you think it would be better to get W&S or Huntsman? Very compelling offering, thanks for covering. Or take in some pictures of styles you like. We specialise in handcrafted bespoke suits that are constructed from the finest natural materials and express a timeless elegance. Great post Simon, really enjoyed. In my case, a long body and short legs! Also for the sake of comparison would the drawbacks of mtm for soft tailoring (disregarding fit as obvious) be less of the hand details. That means the clothes have been designed specifically for you and no one else. Wonderful. I was hoping that you might be able to recommend a particular type of fabric. This is a proper Savile Row suit. Trousers are made entirely by hand, with hand-sewn curtained waistbands. I dont want any slim, modern stuff. And a pair of flannel trousers? Trousers Read More Heavy brown Brisbane Moss cords Trousers Read More The T-shirt under a shirt (and tailoring) Casual clothing Read More The style of a belted wrap coat - with Whit. I would second that cloth ref. I wouldnt worry as regards experience John and Bob (coatmaker) have plenty of experience there. There are cheap Neapolitan tailors coming to London use them instead if thats the look you want. The brand is the brainchild of two brothers, Suresh and Mahesh Ramakrishnan, who both enjoyed long and successful corporate careers in New York City before they decided to open a tailor shop. Your website is an amazing read. Maybe this blog will help change that. Edge tapes, hems and linings are completely felled by hand. I think there is often a risk with bespoke that people expect perfection, and everything to have been considered for them, when it is more interactive, and does have most benefits over time. Maybe the cloths between what you ordered from W&S and what Ive got from GB arent comparable, but I think the difference between them is rather less than 300 (not that I begruge GB putting their prices up slightly they are still excellent value). Solito, Dalcuore, Caliendo and Rubinacci (in ascending order of price! And quality is quality, no matter where its sourced. Do you think W&S would still be a good choice and do you think they would accept these preferences or is their house style quite set? This is definitely navy rather than blue Photography, light, white balance etc can change colours, particularly blues. Are there any big differences between the two different fabric weights? The timeline is very similar to other bespoke offerings usually 4-6 weeks between each stage, often quicker towards the end. He was given the land by King Charles II in 1668 as a gift for his support of the Crown during the Civil War. I hope someday to access (and afford) some pure Neapolitan tailoring but in our globalized world, even from a post-modern perspective purity is a questionable concept regardless. By the way, do you know whats the price at W&S for a Classic Bespoke tweed jacket? If Im not completely wrong, but the diffrence in price is not that very big. Subscribe now and get up to 61% off the cover price. Thanks Chris, thats always helpful, and yes absolutely, aware of how beneficial it would be. Alex Natt. Looking forward to your thoughts. Hi Jon, ), Thanks for the recommendation of the neapolitan tailors. around 3000 but entirely made by them)? Would W&S be a good option. After realizing what such refined raiment can do for him both physically and psychologically, it is the rare man who does not become a convert for life. Buttonholes are sewn with silk thread by hand. Shoe and boot reviews, mostly of the high-end, British, Goodyear welted variety . Cloth: Holland & Sherry, Classic Worsteds, 12/13oz. Since you praise John McCabe for his cutting, I was wondering whether needs to be involved in the measurement process and therefore needs to be present during the first appointment? Coat Details Fabric Pattern: Solid. This is the process by which my suit was also made. It can be good advice to try and see the cutter at some stage rather than just a salesman, but even that varies widely depending on the salesman some of them are just as good. How strange, and to deepen the mystery further it was a pair of trousers which I had seen. How would you compare them to Tim Everest or C&D for MTM in terms of quality and value? new to bespoke), but i would certainly be interested to know more about 1) what to realistically expect from bespoke, and 2) how to get the most from the process. Or do you think Ill not be happy with a W&S suit? Good point, and I assume you mean 1632 with VAT. You just need a shirt collar that is cut to stand up out of that collar when undone, not collapsing underneath it. Not a toile. Watch. And it would look a touch more formal than a Neapolitan, but as long as youre happy with that (and my Gieves is similar in cut) then that would work fine. Insisting on something still identifiable as W & S, bearing Bob and Johns beautiful fingerprints but of much softer construction, I was reassured with confidence by Suresh. Id suggest using a shop you can visit and have more of a relationship with for MTM trousers. Although I agree, Simon, about expecting no artists or artisans, tailors or otherwise, to takes bribes that stretch their natural styles beyond zones of comfort/ experience but with W & S I clearly wasnt asking too much. Have a good weekend. Was planning to do so with W&S during their next trunk show. Simon. After all, people happily walk into Canali and hand over 1500 for factory made MTM suits from a block pattern I would expect to pay much closer to 2k for a bespoke product like this (which even then is still a cracking deal). which is better in your opinion? Apr 11, 2018 - Whitcomb & Shaftesbury final suit - great value bespoke. Interesting point. The Classic Bespoke follows the same fitting process as our Savile Row Bespoke. Wempe Teamed Up With Boatbuilder Tim Heywood to Make Two Limited-Edition Marine Chronometers, Rimowa Unveils a New, More Organized Pilot Case for Your Next Short-Haul Trip, The Best-Dressed Men of the SAG Awards, From Eddie Redmayne to Austin Butler. Some of us surely do not desire to try out lots of tailors but love and romantically hatch the idea of naturally having your tailor where you get many different things from over the years and build a trusting relationship. I think youll be absolutely fine if thats what you want. Still strikes me as cracking value though. The feeling I got when discussing some of these details with the team at W&S was one of denial of some of the problems. Just one point on pricing. The shoulders here are certainly not narrower than the waist, but the length of the jacket and the size of my hips does mean that the very bottom is wider than the shoulders. Is there an equivalent for this type of value with other articles (i.e. This is a part of a series on a pair of bespoke trousers made for me by the tailor house Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. I tried them at home but was not convinced, so i went back in and saw a third fitter (not sure where they get people from when John is not available) who agreed they were too baggy, and alterations were appropriately made. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury Bespoke Navy Wool Savile Row Classic Fishtail Trousers LNWOT BIG GUYS Paolo Martorano Bespoke Mid Grey Fresco Hopsack Explorer Pants #1 LNWOT BIG GUYS Paolo Martorano Bespoke S110s Italian Wool Draped Gabardine Pants + 69.35 Postage + 2.22 VAT will apply Shop with confidence eBay Premium Service These Tailors Are Doing It Anyway. Black mens jeans: how to choose and with what to wear? I think Im inclined to forego my preferences in that case! Would you recommend high rise or mid rise? Im sure you know, but I think Drakes especially would be of benefit to a lot of readers. Updated: Dec 14, 2021. Ie price including VAT is GBP 1362. How would you compare this to Grahame Browne given the close pricing? Very happy with her. Wondered if you had any thoughts ? I question, upon reflection, if you can go to Spain and Italy (and India via W & S) might we see a time when you take into consideration the many fine UK tailors at points outside of London. Would be nice to see W&S in the style breakdown series. He values fit above everything, but as he does all the work himself, it is a very easy relationship. I hope that makes sense. Perhaps a little collection of posts around the issue would be good. Just an idea. Thank you and have a pleasant weekend. There are also things the Indian workshop can do that you wouldnt give to most Row tailors. A similar question. In the end, i am happy with my suit, but i didnt feel that i received a great deal of support/guidance from them, not what i was expecting for a bespoke service anyway. I always try and relax and dont rush my fittings. Yes, Edward is more dramatic and youll find the drape style more comfortable during the day at work too. Any other recommendations? As has been mentioned, your tie is stunning, but sadly it doesnt feature in Drakes current line up. Hi Sam Their sessions do include fittings. Among many others, it is known for the large number of ateliers located on it, Read More. Thanks simon. Thanks. You described some English suits as cuted with small drape (e.g. I wear my suit 12 hours a day but tend to have the jacket hung up most of the time, so really its trousers that are as important to me. Also, in terms of Whitcombs house styleI prefer a more classical style although my technical knowledge of suiting is lacking. The fact this has happened with two tailors is odd, and the only thing I can think of is that maybe you stand rather unnaturally during fittings, eg very erect? Yes, it was at their basic cost. In your opinion is this offering from W&S worth the extra cost over a GB suit ? Do you mind me asking what make your glasses are? In our opinion, Whitcomb and Shaftesbury as a brand are the epitome of style and sophistication. I initially thought I would go for A&S as I love the style and think they would guide me through the process extremely well. Thanks Simon, For years, we had our suits made, explains Suresh, and we both felt that you could find good product, but it was a struggle to find good advice. What are your thoughts on Huntsman 100 (I think thats what its called right) anyway? Whitcomb & Shaftesbury RAF-blue suit: Style . Hi Simon. From the sounds of it you were quite impressed with the offshore made suit. Any unique creation is possible from designing your own fabric to printing a customized lining, you can play designer, or you can sit back and let us create a masterpiece for you, enjoying the elegance and style that has come to represent British tailoring. But yes, you can certainly request a little less. They have outfitters (not tailors) who measure you, and their cutters/tailors are in Hong Kong. That pocket square fold is on point. They seem stylistically similar (soft w some drape), and affordable. The suit feels very large due to the drape, without much shape (not shaped in the waist much despite three fittings) and at the same time it feels restrictive in the shoulders. Will introduce myself soon when I see you around. Another question: in another post you mention desiring to be measured at the house itself; a friend of yours had gone to a trunk show and did not receive good results with fit. By the way, Sian is the other cutter at Whitcomb now, and is very good in my experience. Were lucky that our workshop allows us to turn fittings around for clients relatively quickly while keeping total control of quality, Suresh explains. Would Rubinacci London do the trick better than Russell at Graham Browne, with whom Ive already had one rushed suit made in the past? To be worn with knit ties and open neck shirts to dinners and casual events in summer? They wont move the button or buttonhole, but they might open the shoulder seam and pick one side up slightly. Even though W&S is affordable compared to Savile Row, I would prefer neapolitans which are comparable in price to W&S but in my experience produced a much nicer fitting and much more comfortable jacket than W&S. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury makes hand made bespoke suits and shirts using traditional tailoring techniques Whitcomb & Shaftesbury They certainly could, and Id say you should expect at least two fittings ideally three (with the last one being with a finished suit, but something small needs to be tweaked always a good idea to get that tweak, painful as it may be! It is as good in cut as most other Savile Row suits, and almost as good in make. I am a long time reader of your blog, and I am delighted to say that I am going to be getting my first bespoke suit this fall from W&S based on your review. Richard. And either no pattern of just a small one in the weave like Birdseye or pick and pick, or herringbone. Edge tapes, hems and linings are completely felled by hand. I worry, however, that they might be a bit expensive. That was more specific to Rubinacci. Or are they at a much higher price point than W&S? But then youre paying over twice the price. Explore. Dear Simon, The size is down to the tie thicker silk or lining for a bigger knot, a wider tie for a longer knot.. as Ive indicated in my comments on your Vergallo loden coat post, I will also be trying the W&S classic bespoke service for a winter flannel suit. Here is a simple way to think about it. 1. knowing that W&S now have two cutters would it be wrong to ask for sian walton to cut more in the Thom Sweeney style ? HB, In some ways, yes, though the structure etc is different and the value itself even better too. My first British bespoke suit was last year, and if I had known about them I might well have talked to W&S. Youre really in the market for made to measure, not bespoke. Before you raise an . Whitcomb & Shaftesbury bespoke suit review - part 1 of 2 - consultation and commission. Bespoke suits are custom-Made suits that are tailor-made to fit the specific measurements of the person ordering them. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury is based on George Street in Mayfair, just a few paces from Savile Row, and offers two bespoke services: its Savile Row Bespoke service, which is made in the conventional fashion in on-site workrooms, and Classic Bespoke, which is cut in London and made in the brand's workshop in Chennai, India. Wearing something expressly created for ones body and mind is an intoxicating luxury. 1 talking about this. I was able to travel to London to meet Sian for the basted fitting. I also appreciate your point about opening up the possibilities, rather than providing something concrete and narrow, which is not something i had considered, but fully makes sense. What i wanted was them to guide on what would look best based on their (extensive) experience, which they never really gave. hi Simon, very interesting article. Following on from my previous questions, I would just like to say that I commissioned a Classic Bespoke Suit from W&S for my wedding day, cut by Sian in a dark navy Holland and Sherry 9 1/2oz Mohair. Following your review of W&S I have scheduled an appointment for their upcoming visit to NY. How does their house style translate to a relatively casual sports coat (like a tweed jacket with some casual detailing that could be worn down with denim, or up for the office with flannel)? Thanks I have 2 W+S suits now and have been happy with both (both business suits). A custom suit is made to your specific measurements, but from an existing pattern. Give him a try; I dont imagine your will regret it. I do think its worth asking, as they are generally quite open to such ideas, but at the same time if they seem hesitant then dont push it. Fashion Designer - Whitcom & Shaftesbury Several top brands including Dunhill, Gieves & Hawkes, and Ozwald Boateng offer this service. It is not bespoke as with Floris and leads customers to the existing range via a Q and A. Id still call them an English tailor But its hard to say Id say buy whichever of the two you can stretch to. Photography: Jack Lawson. Great service and advice. The prices are comparable. No its certainly worth asking, but do try to be specific in what you would like. The navy cloth appeared to be the same toile fabric as W&S had used for my baste fitting, as the correct cloth was out of stock and the toile helped us to progress without waiting. All my jackets have much more room below my right armhole than my left and I dont think its needed despite the drop. I really like the dramatic asymmetry in your tie knots. Or perhaps heard anything about his work? Looking back at this, would you still have gotten the suit in 13oz instead of something like a 10/11oz? Hi Simon, how does this classic bespoke service compare to Savile Row on after-sales servicing? 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