Can't keep holding it all in. In fact, we hate being told, but we will do it on our own if we think it's good. He didn't really want to cop to everything that he did. So, my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John Natson, they start using a line of, uh, uh, a tact of, uh, uh, of interviewing him that was very-. Obviously no need to be alarmed. Yeah. Big questions are investigated . The experiment requires that we continue. So he plans to destroy Othello. Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. All right. And then he starts this period of roaming. Um, this is one of the things that's, uh, this was one of the things that's sparked my interest in the topic of murder. Only then does God speak up and kind of say, like, "You're gonna question me?" You're cut down before then. They've got a- a very plausible, very credible high status scientist at a high status scientific institution. Radiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? Okay, it's all right, but we've got to know that. (laughs). A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. And I heard about him from science writer, Sam Kean. Shoots herself in the chest, and is found by her son. It's absolutely essential that you continue. So the subjects seem willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say, "It's an order.". You wouldn't though, would you really? He was doing his great science work right around the turn of the 20th century; so right around 1900. Search metadata Search text contents Search TV news captions Search radio transcripts Search archived web sites Advanced Search. Takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a free audiobook. David had always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. Also from, uh, a Jewish family. He says that he's always been hiring people based on how smart they are, and not who their grandparents were. What you know you know. We should say that this next section of the program has some references which are extremely graphic-. This has allowed the world to have 7 billion people. I mean, I'm not suggesting one should, but I'm just saying there is a sense in which these people are prepared to do something that's very painful to them, and to someone else, because they want to promote science; well, you can see that's a good thing. So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. Unusually so in those times. Haber starts thinking, "In order to do this we need to pressure this, we need to put it under a lot of pressure.". We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. And also thank you to Alex Haslem, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. "When I picked them up I was going to kill them." Come over now.". Yeah, I agree with that. Become A Member. They're trying to do the right thing. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, _really _bad that's in some of us. Jeff Jensen's book is the Green River Killer: A True Detective Story. But- but there's part of me that says, you know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before. Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. Under some circumstances we don't do the bad thing we're told to do because" here's another flip "We don't have to be told. We lived together for a couple months, he was very aggressive, he started calling me a whore, and told me he didn't love me anymore, so I broke up with him. Terms and conditions apply. Yes, it's awesome, thank you, Ben. And Christensen, I dated her several times bef- three times- two times before. So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". I- horrified is- I was- I was pretty stunned. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. And in the trial, when the prosecutors, essentially, ask him how you came to commit genocide he would say, over and over again-. Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. I'm not saying a word. So, he plans to destroy Othello. So, I heard this one from this guy named David-. And so I expanded the sample where we asked about 5,000 people-. This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. Right? Horrified like, "Oh my God, my students are murderers?" And not just 'cause he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society. You know what? Eventually Iago convinces Othello that his wife has been disloyal, which hasn't. And actually, this wasn't just the German thing. Yeah. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. His wife, um, went into hiding. And they go, "Why?" Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. And as soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. Gary says, "I needed to kill." But in a us sort of way. He's a master planner. Gary said, "I needed to kill them," they go, "Why?" I'm [Clemmy Buttonhill 00:26:56], I'm here to tell you about the Open Airs Project, the new podcast form WNYC studios and WQXR, in which people share stories about the classical music that gets them through their lives. What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them, play out the same way. And to make the problems even more annoying. That's what we're heading towards. Meaning, I mean, what- what- any idea what was in his mind? Especially when it came to one particular fact. And you know what? And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. He would deny things. I can't quite place him-. And they would circle yes or no. Terms and conditions apply. Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. And he finds her actually still alive, with the life about to run out of her. And also, thank you to Alex Haslam, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. Why does God allow this to happen? And every scenario produced a different result. To him, he seemed calm and I left, and went home. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, You know, you could find it in cow manure or-. Radiolab: Lucy. David always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. To feed about 30 million people. A liquid that has captured the nitrogen right out of the air. Certainly friends of his did. He, ultimately, spent 17 years searching for this man. Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters. Necrophilia. I'm Robert Krulwich. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. They're going to record it okay. In 1962 Stanley Milgram shocked the world with his study on obedience. But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. Okay. Nice job? This is what's driving the world towards 10, 12 by 2050. And he believed it. I mean it's a fact, of course, that they're administering pain to a stranger, that's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. Let me just get that out. And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. And this is the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and of course Hitler's Germany. So, Sam what happened to this guy after World War I? And, "Because women have stepped on me all my life." That is true. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and set them upright at their dear friend's door. Thanks. And then it was several hours later, in the middle of the night, that I got the call. I mean you have to remember, during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. Bonobos. Hey, it's Fred Kaufman, I'm calling to read the credits; here we go. I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. I'll give you bad. And he is basically homeless at this point. The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. They will spare his son if he fessed up and tells them what they need to know. But I mean, he's up to 195 volts. And actually two nations in South America went to war. When I said, "Goodbye." But that's just a- those are fantasies. How many times would they shock that sad-. This is RadioLab. Because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it This trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy that's released, it could be used for life or death. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. Carries electric shocks. In the best of your memory, which word was matched with nice? She was actually, uh, sort of a genius herself. This story made us wonder is David's friend, is he unusual? Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. Meaning, any idea what was in his mind? But in experiment number three, if they put the shockee in the same room with the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person as the shockee. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. Radiolab is supported by Casper. Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. Really, that story has been told a million and one times for the last 50 years. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and . The Bad Show Listen Transcript Image credits: Adam Cole Cruelty, violence, badness. Was it nice day? When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court to accuse Adolf Eichmann. One of the reasons it grows is because it's sucking up all the nitrogen in the soil. This episode was produced with help from Carter Hodge. Now, that right there, slap some quotations around that. So, you see, it's just in that one experiment that 65% of people are willing to go all the way. How many of them went into that kind of detail? Only 10% under those circumstances go on. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called Yp-. 450 volts every shock now? He was in this, um, uh, uh, state of fury, he said, and, um, and instead of hitting his wife, he smashed his fist into the bathroom mirror. They will invariably say something like, "They show that people obey orders." Whether the learner likes it or not, we must-, What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them-, Play out the same way. It's called Too Much Information. And then Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering hew with a pillow. And- and part of the problem here, and although, once again, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. One of those very tiny, old fashioned, uh, pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? 2K views almost 2 years ago 48:23 Love it or hate it, the freedom to say obnoxious and subversive things is the quintessence of what makes America America. I mean, you have to remember, during the- during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. With my arm. Prince-nez? My dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. Is that how you say that? She expressed disapproval about his clothing choices. They were gagging, they were choking; hundreds of them were falling to the ground like-. And one evening, they were throwing a party and invited me over. Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". Yeah (laughs). 35.3M . If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. He takes a trip to Switzerland to a sanatorium. Leaving a son, a- a- alone with his dead mother. That's radio producer Ben Walker. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. And Iago-, He refuses what we fully expect, and what everybody on stage, at that moment, fully expects from him. And oddly enough, we got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy-. In a rage, uh, how? On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. See now around this point I just don't have anything to do with this guy, I just want to take a shower, walk-. Is an absolute order. Prosecution, [crosstalk 00:12:03] the Attorney General. 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