She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. Not speculative? I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. She even provided the police with her own sketch. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. I wanted to ask you something on this case. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. Whats next? Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. HUGE conflict of interest. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. Exactly Libby why did they say during the trial that he saw his mom? Shes where she belongs. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. There is so much to say about this blog I wouldnt know where to start. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. May be the guy who says he did it. You hit the nail right on the head. Some of your facts arent facts at all. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. They were treated very badly in this matter. The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. Another conflict of interest. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. The endorsement was so strong, in fact, that some interpreted it as a roundabout trade request. But you are right to say that it is my site. Downs, born Elizabeth Diane Frederickson, was a 27-year-old divorced postal worker when she pulled up outside a hospital in Oregon in May 1983. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. So I start with that bit of history in mind. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. You fail to mention what her daughter actually said about her communication with Diane, like Diane telling her that a very powerful person, a secret man, has been watching her, and that if she loved her son she would move away or else her son will grow up to be a murderer. It was not the right gun. After all, she was conditioned this way. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). Thanks for the link. You said yourself that the title was revealing. Is it too late to respond to this? please express them and I will print them. If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. The absence of the gun or gun powder residues on Diane is fact. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. And he grew up there. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. She had not fired a gun. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? If the goal was to get rid of them, why didnt she emulate her lesser half in this matter? What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. Being a patient of the doctor who saved the childrens lives has nothing to do with the facts of a case. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. In reply to Nick. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. Now Diane Downs did not say any of this, but told a hard to believe story, and then changed it from one to two masked guys, etc. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. Regina, I love your comment! But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. They felt safe there. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. A. There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they think they know or pressure to make an arrestand i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it. It goes on and on. At that timeand now!! How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. Until the end of the trial. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. The people who implemented lockdowns would never be anywhere near public policy again. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. The woman shot her children. It is not a run of the mill case. This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. A number of them were clearly . Its too late for me to call myself a murderer (when I am not) just to purchase my freedom. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. I had never heard of this case and fell upon several videos that had me completely convinced DD was a narcissistic psychopath. She then went through the State (Circuit) Court habeas corpus relief for four years to no avail. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. She took care of herself not her children. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. He could not during the marriage so he walked away. I dont. Brewer changed his mind. rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. Hello. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. In reply to Kit There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. Your prayers were answered. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. I was being sarcastic. That is pure bullshit. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! It is because she is a high profile person. Did she act like a average person? Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. She had a more than competent attorney and a fair trial before a jury and NOT the same judge who handled the childrens matters. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. It always feels like punishment at all costs. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. I encourage you to read all the facts before being so sure that she was guilty or that she acted alone. What about the fact that they never found the gun? And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. I will not remove anything. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. Again I go back to how times were back then. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. It appeared rigged: Rigged? Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. It was flawed. Steve knew Danny was not his biological child and left Downs. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. That hurt our family deeply. To Lisa Griggs Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. She was the prosecutions only hope. Agreed. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. By many accounts, her children adored her. Or can have an accomplice. I agree. For the upcoming Halo TV show, original Master Chief voice actor Steve Downes was recast, despite Cortana voice actor Jen Taylor reprising her role from the iconic video game franchise. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. Is it the one you tried to use? Theres a lot to be said here, still. This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. I know that most people think she is guilty. The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. Page 35 of Case History. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. The harm done to families by unscrupulous district attorneys who bully children into falsely testifying against their parents has been recorded in a documentary called Witch Hunt by Sean Penn about Kern County (CA) District Attorney Ed Jagels. Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. Evidence from a ballistics expert. According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. I actually do not know what really happened. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. What about the facts of the case? The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? Ive been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted If you love your little boy, youll take him far away from here- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. I base a lot on what I see and hear from her in her own words in footage of a 28 yr old woman. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. why didn't steve downs get custody. If not, why not? I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. How asinine. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. 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