> Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. How doesshe know this? Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. Orgy? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). ". <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The Daily Planet may go under too. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. ANSWERS: 4. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). But which'party' is Bill referring to? What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. 0. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! 1. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. <<<<<<<<<<. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. I am ready >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. Take another listen. I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. Was she the women at the party?" Orgy? This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. WebEyes Wide Shut. > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? <<<<<<<<<<. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. ">> "Victor what can I say. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. ", "Victor what can I say. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. What a joke to call them "philosophers." >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. or psychotherapists. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." Orgy? How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. Please either stop > or> shape up. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" But that's not the half of it. WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. Statanic mass? > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. It was a > party nevertheless. How? In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. at the > ceremony/orgy. ", "They were nutcases. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Statanic mass? >What else could he call it? > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. <<<<<<<<. Mandy was not the same woman. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<< it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. Amazing. As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". ". Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. Orgy? It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. How? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." And Milich was expecting him. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. If he were> Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? > He didn't recognise her voice. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Please either stop or> shape up. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. Is that how youwould describe it? Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Same voice. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a Congratulations. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? Will die when there are no longer any participants i agree though, he made... 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